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3. Harder Cases - Convert to Compare and Subtract

The three videos below with some overlap show how to convert decimals form of numbers so that  comparison and direct subtraction may done directly.  The conversion leads to a modified decimal notation with a signal letter J standing for the number 10.  The letter J, the tenth letter in the Roman alphabet, resembles an Aramaic symbol for 10. The capital letter X was considered as alternative to J, but there are too many small letters x in mathematics.  The overlap between the videos stems from three efforts or three starts to the video making process.  Tip: Read the questions below before watching the first video twice. View the others if you need more help to do the exercises below. 

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View First Flash Video

(Has a few seconds of silence at the start. Wait for the silence to end)

Summary:  This  first, 5:31 minute video introduces a single letter J to denote the number 10, and employs J as another digit besides 0 to 9 in a "decimal" representation of whole numbers.  The J-conversion of decimals (another way to borrow)  leads to place value comparison of whole numbers and leads to a borrow-free (no more conversion) view of subtraction. More than one J-conversion may be done in a single subtraction. 

Second Flash Video (optional)

Summary: This second,  7:32  minute video provides a quick word about comparison of whole numbers. (1) Expands decimal representation of whole numbers to compare number of units, tens and hundreds in the first instance where a place-by-place comparison of whole numbers given in decimal form. (2) Compares 7864 with 10000 and introduces J (value 10) as the tenth eleventh digit and to provide an alternate way to give a "decimal" representation of whole numbers.  

 

Third Flash Video   Video Arithmetic008M

Summary:  This duplicate lesson employs a single letter J to denote the number 10, and employs J as another digit besides 0 to 9 in a "decimal" representation of whole numbers.  The J-conversion of decimals (another way to borrow)  leads to place value comparison of whole numbers and leads to a borrow-free (no more conversion) view of subtraction. More than one J-conversion may be done in a single subtraction. 

5:35 minutes Comparison: Introduction of J conversion for decimals with and without decimal point Optional Lesson

Try the first video first. and the remaining two, if need-be. (As the author, I should return to this page, and pick one, or replace all three by another. Will do that when I have time.)

 

Notes

The above lessons employ direct digit-by-digit comparison and subtractions for decimal counts and fractions where possible, and failing that employ conversions (borrows) in a way that makes direct or nearly direct digit-by-digit comparison and subtraction possible. All the above explore and express these ideas in a longer way, more accessible to students - we hope. 

 Comparison without and with Conversions: 

  • 956 is greater than 436 has the first number has the same number of units, but more tens and more hundreds - no conversion required. 
  • 10000 is greater than 8269 as 1000 = 9999 + 1 = 9990 + 10 has more thousands, more hundreds, more tens and more ones.
  • 3234635 is greater than 18722 as 32465 = 3233635 + 1000 = 323365 + 999990 +10 has more units, more tens, more hundreds, more thousands and so on than 18742 (maximal conversion method for comparison)
  • 32 is greater than 18722 as 34635 = 24635 + 1000 = 24635 + 9900 + 100 has more units, more tens, more hundreds, more thousands and so on than 18722 (minimal conversion method for comparison)

    Teaching Tip: Comparison by conversion (when necessary) provides an alternative to the lexicographic comparison of decimal counts and fractions. This alternative sets the stage for subtraction. 
Associated Subtraction by Conversion Method: 

No conversions (borrows) are required to do the following subtraction

5 6 4 9 9 3 8
  - 2 8 7 1 6 
                 

as the first number has more units, tens, hundreds, thousands, and tens of thousands, digit by digit, place value by place value. 

The minimal conversion method for comparison implies the common (minimal) conversion method for subtraction.


3 2 3 4 6 3 5
  - 1 8 7 2 2 
                 

by  conversion, that is by writing 30000 as 29000 + 1000 gives

    2 9 10
3 2 3 6 6 3 5
  - 1 8 7 2 2 
                 
    

Note:  Comparison-Conversion lesson in this site area use a letter J to stand for the number 10.

Here the 3 in the ten thousand position is crossed-out and replaced by  2, 9  and 10 in the top row to indicate the replacement  or conversion of 30000 by/to 29000 + 1000.  Here position indicates place value. Following the conversion, in each column, the rows to be added combined have more ones, tens, hundreds and so

the minuend  than the subtrahend. So the difference is easily computed

    2 9 10
3 2 3 6 6 3 5
  - 1 8 7 2 2 
3 2 1 7 9 1 3    

Remark: If a conversion method other than minimal is employed, the subtraction will result in carries.

Exercise Set.

Teaching Tip: For some or many students, which one is more than the other will be obvious in each pair from their earlier mastery of counting and decimal notation.    Numbers 10 to 15 are labeled optional for students who have a previous knowledge of how to compare. 

Express each of the following numbers using J-Notation as in the above lesson.

  1. A = 300
  2. B = 500
  3. C = 6000
  4. D = 5000
  5. E = 10000
  6. F =  80000
  7. G = 50
  8. I =   20
  9. H = 10

Use conversion and J notation  when needed to compare the following pairs of numbers

  1. 235 and 456
  2. 345 and 789
  3. 1000 and 673
  4. 1238 and 549
  5. 356 and 260

More than one solution may be correct. 

15. For each of the following, compare the two numbers with the help of digit-by-digit place value, or with the help of the J-conversion presented in the above and further video lessons.

  • Do you see the connection or difference between  (E) and (F)?
  • Do you see the connection or difference between (G) and (H)?
 

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